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http://www.itjobswatch.co.uk/

Thats the only one good site i have found, but missing for Belgium and for other European countries.

I was searching a site which can tell the income source details for European developer (specially for Belgium). But mostly not a single website exist who tells the true.

My situation:

As a programmer myself in one company i use all my knowledge, 20++ hours a day (office , home, office, home) because every-time its challenge/complex/stress/over-time feature-requests, at the end of the year in Europe i was getting in total not even the lowest amount shown here (UK pound vs Euro + high-tech most of the time they use + speed in development): http://www.itjobswatch.co.uk/

In one company i have to use my best performance knowledge for whole year with: C, Java, PHP (Zend Framework, Cakephp), BASH, MySQL/DB2, Linux/Unix, Javascript, Dojo, JQuery, Css, Html, Xml.

Company wants to pay lesser but always it has to be perfect and it has to be solid gold and diamond like quality.

And the total amount in Europe is not sufficient for me if i compare with other countries and living cost in Europe including taxes.

Is there any developers/community site where we can see by country, zone what is minimum to maximum income source getting offered to the developers?

So that some developers who is in troubles, they can shout and speak up louder with those references?

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I doubt you'll find such community or forum. – BЈовић Jan 29 '12 at 10:09
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well people leave companies for better opportunities - guess who is at big loss when that happens – BЈовић Jan 29 '12 at 10:16
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Never compare your wages to other people's. The range of quality in developers is too great for an average to be useful to anyone. Simply compare your wages to your value and if you think the value is higher then either go out and prove it, by finding a better-paid job, or call your boss's bluff and threaten to leave. Nobody's ever going to pay more than they think they have to. – pdr Jan 29 '12 at 12:15
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There are some company they bluff by paying less. And asking more without knowing what they are asking with that limited price. Even do not know how much time involves. My company asks me to make Android OS (ask more to get at-least minimum type of mentality). But he wont pay even the lowest wages that shows in most websites others are getting yearly. – YumYumYum Jan 29 '12 at 13:02
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Yes, you are correct. But the FAQ specifically says that this site is not about wages or salaries. – Dynamic Jan 29 '12 at 13:45
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There are lots of sites that provide some kind of average salaries in europe. Just type "lohngehalt" in google, and you can even pick if you want Germany, Schweitz or Austria (those are in german).

Here is one that I used to get an average salary in Germany.

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If you think from different point of view. Actually there is no perfect site on this, which draw this. By the way that site you provided is excellent thank you. – YumYumYum Jan 29 '12 at 10:38
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Here is another source for Germany:

There is an annual poll for 2010, n < 4600, made by independent publishing- company heise.de

It says: who makes how much, Part1: Salaried Employees.

(Not only IT jobs)

Interesting is figure 1:

http://www.heise.de/jobs/artikel/Wer-verdient-wie-viel-Teil-1-Angestellte-1230028.html?view=zoom;zoom=3

It shows the income classes grouped by sector of economy.

Most labels are probably self explanatory (at least some fragments of them). "Handel" is Retail, "Gesundheitswesen" is Health, "Aus- und Weiterbildung" is Education, "Andere" means Others.

Note how the dark greenish-blue "middle-class" fraction of 50000-60000 Euros/year moves from left to right. Largest fraction of high-earners are in Finance and Telecommunications (only 28% make less the 50k€/y) , whereas in Education 80% of poll participants make less than 50k€ a year. IT Jobs are in the middle.

Translating from the text: Professional field "software development": Two-fifths of the programmers / application developers earn more than 50,000 €. However, the green areas on the lower end of most columns make it clear that many participants of the profession can barely make it.

I think the reported salaries are a bit biased favoring the upside; People with higher income are more motivated to take part in the voluntary poll. And there are many high wage zones in the South of Germany, in the Rhine Valley, Frankfurt Area, Hamburg Area. Living expenses are also higher there.

The workforce is aging; there have been wage increases across the board in 2010.

Read/Translate the whole article, there are a lot more data inside.

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I truly believe after driving computer for ages that most companies, do not correctly evaluate developers wages. They simply find a short-cut to pay you less (some are most happy to find your weak-points like if you are coming from abroad to work). Even the Tax payers statistics shows that companies pay lesser Tax then general workers. – YumYumYum Jan 29 '12 at 13:10
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Payscale.com sounds like exactly what you are looking for.

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