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I have been teaching an OOP course for almost one year from now. The premise of the school is to use Java by using NetBeans for the programming part. I have seen the following scenarios:

  • The students get overwhelmed by the amount of information about the different controls to use, so they lost focus on the programming paradigm taught (in our case OOP)

  • They rely on their memory, mainly of the different Java GUI tools

Is the best approach to teach the OOP topics by making use only of console and with little or no use of the Net Beans GUI? Could that help the students to focus more on the logic of the program and maybe to learn how to do quick tests?

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This is just a personal opinion, but I don't think teaching GUI alongside OOP to beginners is a good idea. There are few more problems on top of ones you named.

I believe the biggest one is confusing OOP with GUI itself. Especially the thought that "object" is equal to "visual object" is the most problematic one. People might get ideas when people talk about "object", they will always be things like windows, buttons, panels, something that paints itself, etc.

So in the end, I would definitely use console applications as way to teach basic programming and OOP concepts. I would leave specific GUI library to separate course.

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+1 -- The "GUI approach" in the OOP course I followed is the precise reason why I decided to not attend classes and studied only few hours before the exam. Maybe other students like this approach but I really hated it, since I don't see how it fits in the OOP theory. –  Bakuriu Aug 18 '13 at 20:58
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I'm a student myself and I just wanted to say that I wish I was taking your course.

Yeah, in terms of OOP programming, I would think console is the way to go for starters. It kind of acts as a springboard to more challenging things like using OOP with GUI.

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Would you recommend to teach the OOP topics by making use only of console and with little or no use of the Net Beans GUI? Could that help the students to focus more on the logic of the program and maybe to learn how to do quick tests?

My premise is that I'll speak just as a student. I remember two C++ courses in my university: "Basics of C++" and "OOP with Qt" (C++ GUI library). Each took about 2 months.

The first one is considered one of the hardest and yet boring course, the one people just want to pass and don't want to excel in. It just teach you the basic of the language and doesn't really focus on the OOP part. I'd compare it to the first months of your year-course: they are painful but necessary.

The second one was one of the course I've ever attended with much enthusiasm. Why? Because part of the exam consisted in creating a full GUI application (I'll leave the details out for the purpose of this talk). I really felt part of the course and I felt that something challenging and useful was actually being done. Also, I've probably learned more C++ programming patterns and how the language works in the second course rather than the first one whose only purpose was that.

So I'd highly suggest you, if you consider your students ready, to involve GUI programming with one of the most used library out there. Why?

  • Because it's no surprise that GUI is more exciting than the command line (except for some MS-DOS guys I guess)
  • Because it requires you to fully understand the OOP concepts behind the library
  • Because knowing a library is always useful (future work)
  • Because it's more challenging
  • Because (testing with a final project) helps you understand real-life programming problems and let you find their solution, which you'll never forget.
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If the students have little to no experience with OOP and/or GUI programming, it would be good to ease the students into this using console only. I have taught both OOP courses as well as GUI programming courses. They have been separate from one another. I have found GUI programming in itself can be very confusing for some students without having to learn OOP concepts as well.

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Why not do both? Start with the command line then when they get comfortable making basic programs then you can move on to an IDE.

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I agree with this. But for the love of god: teach them how to use a layoutmanager instead of absolute positioning. My teachers last year only used absolute positioning and it has been a pain transitioning to an actual manager for my project this year. –  Jeroen Vannevel Aug 18 '13 at 19:35
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I would strongly recommend you to opt for Python. Python is very much readable for beginners and professionals alike and apart from readability it has both Object-Oriented(OO) and Functional paradigms. To teach GUI, you can look into Python GUI designer.

You are absolutely write that most of the students and beginners who start Java or C++ concentrate more on syntax, braces, semicolons rather than on logic or the programming paradigm which is quite harmful.

Look into Python and see how well suited this language is for the programming learner.

FYI: http://www.python.org/doc//current/faq/gui.html

http://www.python.org/

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