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In game development there is a lot of C/C++, in business applications C#. I have seen C/C++ devs express concern over how a single line of code translates to assembly. In .NET some go into IL, rarely.

In C#, "micro-optimizing" is frowned upon, rare and usually a waste of time. This does not appear to be the case in game development.

What specifically creates this inconsistency? Do games constantly push the limits of hardware? If yes, as hardware improves should we expect higher level languages to take-over the gaming industry?

I'm not looking for a debate on the feasibility of C# as a game dev lang. I know it's been done to some degree. Focus on Micro-optimization. Specifically, the difference between Game Dev vs Applications dev.

By Game I mean modern, largescale development. E.G. MMORPG's, Xbox, PS3, Wii...

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I've worked as a games developer and an application developer and the differences are moot. Micro optimisation without profiling is frowned upon on in both. Many games don't have very powerful requirements and dont require any optimisation. Some business applications require far more stringent requirements (e.g. uptime and real time guarantees) than an average 60Hz game. – Dave Hillier Dec 30 '13 at 16:18
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In Business Applications, CPU is not always the bottleneck. A business application would spend most of the time waiting. E.g.:

  1. waiting for results from database query
  2. waiting for Web request to finish
  3. waiting for user to make an UI action

Thats why code that optimizes processing performance does not add too much value.

Primary consideration is:

  1. Time to market
  2. Simplicity, can someone else understand and maintain the code
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I would point out that code that optimizes database queries can greatly improve the usability of business applications. – HLGEM Mar 31 '11 at 15:14
+1. Database and Network optimization would usually give more bang for buck in business application. E.g. choice of JSON vs XML and tuning DB indexes – Shamit Verma Mar 31 '11 at 15:16
+1 but you should add the other side of the equation : the "main loop(s)" and rendering(s) in games on witch the fluidity of the game rely on makes each microsecond lost a loss of value, because quality is perceptible to the eye and other senses. – Klaim Mar 31 '11 at 17:41
Well said. And indeed, having done business apps and game development, I have spent time poring over a complex SQL query trying to eke out some more performance, much the same as I have spent time poring over an inner loop in a game. – Carson63000 Mar 31 '11 at 20:30

In business applications, it's very rare for microseconds to matter. In games, it's a fact of life.

If you want to have a game running at 60 frames per second, you have ~ 16.67 milliseconds to do everything that needs to be done for that frame - input, physics, gameplay logic, audio, networking, AI, rendering, and so on; if you're lucky, you'll run at 30 fps and have a luxurious 33.3 milliseconds. If a frame takes too long, your reviews will suffer, your players will fill internet forums with bile and you won't sell as much as you might (not to mention the blow to your professional pride) and if you're really unlucky you will find your team coding business applications for a living.

Of course, game developers don't worry about every single line as, with experience and a decent profiler, you learn which lines need worrying about. On the other hand, those worries will sometimes touch things that in the business world would probably be considered nano-optimizations rather than micro-optimizations.

Dont't expect any high-level language to kick C++ out the door until one offers comparable, and predictable, performance.

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In high-frequency trading applications, microseconds matter a lot! – quant_dev May 11 '11 at 21:36
@quant: As with most stream-processing applications - robotics, power grids, rocketry, medical technology, etc. Build up too much of a backlog and it may be too late by the time you catch up. – Aaronaught May 11 '11 at 22:39
@quant_dev: High-frequency trading applications are very rare. – molbdnilo May 12 '11 at 6:01
Not any more. They're rarer than accounting applications, but more common than, say, airplane design software. – quant_dev May 12 '11 at 7:17
Microseconds matter in business apps too, the bottleneck is just usually found elsewhere (across the network, in a database or file system). – RubberDuck Jan 2 at 16:48

Okay, so you've seen C and C++ developers obsessing over individual lines. I'd bet they don't obsess over each and every line.

There are cases where you want the maximum performance, and this includes a lot of games. Games have always tried to push the performance limits, in order to look better than their competition on the same hardware. This means that you apply all the usual optimization techniques. Start with algorithms and data structures, and move in from there. By using a profiler, it's possible to find where the most time is being taken, and where it's possible to get significant gains from micro-optimizing a few lines.

This isn't because the languages force people into that, it's that people choose languages based on what they want to do. If you want to wring the last bit of performance out of a program, you won't write C# and compile to the CLR and hope the JIT compiler (or whatever) does a good job, you write it in something where you can largely control the output. You'll use C or C++ (and probably a restricted subset of C++) and study the assembly-language output and profiler results.

There are plenty of people who use C and C++ and don't worry too much about the details of translation, as long as it seems to be fast enough.

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Do games constantly push the limits of hardware?

Yes, they do.

If yes, as hardware improves should we expect higher level languages to take-over the gaming industry?

Not really - because as hardware improves, consumers expect games to improve too. They don't expect to see the same quality of game developed more efficiently because the developers used a higher-level language. They expect to have their socks blown off by every new platform.

Of course, there is some movement. When I was a lad and first interested in game development, it was handwritten assembly, or get the hell out. This was the Commodore 64 era. Nowadays, of course, C++ is the lingua franca of most game development. And indeed, we've even seen movement towards using C++ for engine code and a higher-level scripting language for game logic code. e.g. LUA, or the Unreal engine has its own UnrealScript language.

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+1 a good portion of game devs these days use a hyper-optimized engine layer written by someone else, then use something like Python, or less meticulous C++ to wrap things together. – Morgan Herlocker May 11 '11 at 21:44
Relevant to note that Unreal has now moved its scripting “backwards”, from UnrealScript to C++. It's a great thing about modern C++ that it allows you to write both micro-optimised low-latency code, and concise high-level logic. Most other languages only achieve high-level by sacrificing latency and often also performance. – leftaroundabout Mar 6 at 14:47

Micro-Optimizations Aren't Micro-Impact

I'm reminded recently of a comparison I made between a BVH implemented for an open source raytracer vs. Embree (a raytracing kernel made by Intel).

Both used the exact same data structure, a bounding volume hierarchy, so same exact algorithm/data structure, and both offering logarithmic O(logN) tree traversal to find a triangle that intersects a ray.

Given the same scene:

  1. Embree, micro-optimized by some of the industry's finest, managed to process 112 million rays per second.
  2. The BVH I was comparing this to (which only seemed to be implemented to fulfill algorithmic requirements, little or no focus on micro-optimization) could process 310k rays per second.

So we have Intel's version which is ~361 times faster simply as a result of micro-optimizations.

Micro-optimizations, applied correctly by people who understand their fair share of computer architecture, the nature of the optimizing compilers they use, and how to measure hotspots, don't necessarily have a microcosmic impact. They can, when applied correctly in the right circumstances, easily make things dozens to hundreds and occasionally even thousands of times faster.

We Live on Micro-Optimizations

We live and breathe and thrive on micro-optimizations, whether we know it or not. The very operating systems we use have been micro-tuned to death (imagine the Linux kernel being implemented in a very high-level language by developers who constantly scold those with a predominant focus on computer architecture and compiler optimizations).

Whenever we scroll web pages with a mouse wheel, we're relying on micro-optimized image rasterization functions that have been written at the bare metal bits and bytes level to get an interactive response while doing millions of iterations worth of pixel processing work. It is only through micro-optimizations that our machines can process hundreds of millions of pixels per second. Lacking them, the times can quickly degrade to a mere million pixels per second, e.g., at which point we might have to wait a full second just to see a response when trying to scroll a webpage.

Even the compilers we use were built by people with a predominant focus on micro-efficiency at the register and instruction level, yet that obsession is far from premature.

Whenever we type something to search for against a popular search engine, the backend of that search engine will be micro-tuned to death to save costs on an already-enormous electricity bill.

Innovation Requires Micro-Optimization

By "innovation" here, I merely mean functionality that is not covered by an existing library, framework, operating system, compiler, programming language, etc. In effect, one where we actually have to create a new solution largely from scratch. People can be very creative and "innovative" in the way they assemble existing solutions out there written by other people, but I'm using "innovative" in a very specific sense and context here.

In those cases, we need micro-optimizations. One of the reasons AAA game developers are often very obsessed with micro-optimizations like SIMD, memory optimization, multithreading, etc. is that they can't just lean on an existing library to do the stuff they do -- it's too "innovative". It's only recently, for example, that we started to see real-time area lights with soft shadows inside a game. Yet even those solutions are far from general, they're very tied to the representation and other design decisions of the proprietary game engine.

Conventional Image Processing Example

For an "uninnovative" (conventional) example, let's consider alpha blending two images together. In that case, most people would be wise to reach for an existing library which has been implemented already in native code and micro-optimized to death. Then our conventional code can merely issue a few very high-level requests to load a couple of images and blend them together.

Yet there is an enormous amount of actual micro-optimized code here. But it's inside the native image library where the library has to actually loop through each and every pixel of both images and blend each pair of pixels together (though very likely with vectorized code to do this in parallel and possibly across multiple threads or GPU kernels).

The conventional code author doesn't have to worry about this since the image library is doing all the performance-critical work for him. The code he writes would just issue these high-level requests, no tight loops involved, easy.. and such an author wouldn't benefit in the slightest by trying to optimize these high-level requests, he might as well process the instructions through a very slow interpreter and it still wouldn't make a noticeable difference.

Yet the author of the image library definitely had to care a whole lot about micro-efficiency, as image processing is all about micro-efficiency. There typically aren't algorithmic improvements in the realm of image processing, since image processing often revolves around this basic linear-complexity algorithm:

for each pixel:
   do something with pixel

There's no work to skip here, we have to touch every pixel, and the only way to make this go faster is to use faster instructions, apply better utilization of the CPU cache, SIMD registers, etc.

For someone whose job largely consists of image processing, 75% of their code may actually need, above all else, micro-optimizations, and "micro" here is no longer really "micro", it's just "optimization", as 75% of their code may resemble those tight pixel-processing loops like the above for every single image/video filter they implement.

Unconventional ("Innovative") Image Processing Example

Now let's imagine a case where we're wanting to implement a very unique image processing algorithm which inputs photos of people and outputs an anime-style caricature of them. In that case, we can't necessarily just assemble the desired result out of existing solutions out there. We have to "innovate", and that's when we're almost certainly going to require micro-optimizations if we want to process these images without users waiting ages for a response.

The Future

If yes, as hardware improves should we expect higher level languages to take-over the gaming industry?

Nope, I would say not from the engine "builder" perspective (maybe so for engine "user"). Yet there are probably going to be a fair share of game designers who use high-level languages. There are plenty of game developers who don't need to do anything "innovative" (in the "unconventional" sense I described above) and can just write their game using Unity or Unreal Engine 4, e.g. They don't actually have to make their own AAA engine which pushes new boundaries. Those types just want to focus on high-level game design and logic without getting knee-deep in CPU and GPU processing.

Yet I can't imagine hardware getting fast enough any time soon to the point where it sufficiently meets demands, which also scale with the hardware.

If hardware gets a hundred times faster, for example, suddenly game engines will want to be created which simulate a billion light-emitting particles in real-time. People will start wanting to actually animate characters with muscle rigs in real-time. Beyond that, people will start wanting to model skin pores into their creatures. Enemy A.I. might actually want to be processed through a neural network. All of these kinds of things will always be greedy for faster code, faster hardware, or both.

The demands will continue to scale until we are effectively gods giving birth to life on the machine. I can't foresee when that will happen, if ever, and the human race may cease to exist quickly after that point. Until then, the demands will always be higher than the current trends will provide, and that will push software developers to optimize their code and hardware developers to try to produce more efficient hardware.

Note that I used "optimize" in the above sentence. Micro or algorithmic makes no difference here, and it often doesn't make a difference when applied by people who know what they are doing. If we had machines so fast that micro-optimizations wouldn't matter, algorithmic optimizations also wouldn't matter. We could just as well bubble sort that million-entry input in such a case.

The goal is speed, and as long as speed is a goal, the need for optimizations are here to stay.

One Possibility: Optimizers

One possible end I forgot to mention is the evolution of optimizing compilers to the point where high-level code starts to increasingly rival the performance of the most expertly-tuned micro-optimizations.

One of the difficulties is that there's always this cat and mouse game between compiler designer, software designer, and hardware designer.

For example, the hardware designer implements branch prediction with the thought that most computer programs will branch in predictable patterns and make all sorts of computer programs faster automagically. Cool, it initially serves its goal. Except soon after, software designers are using profilers which measure branch mispredictions and optimizing their code for branch prediction and getting even faster than average results that way. Meanwhile, the compiler designer is often left in the dark for all but simple, symmetrical, loop-style branches, since they often can't know what common vs. rare case is (requires runtime information and also ideally information about how users will most often use the software). This runtime information barrier gives rise to things like trace JITs which excel when a program is frequently executing the same instructions, but can suffer tremendously if they are not and branching all over the place.

The hardware designer implements CPU caching to speed up memory access with the thought that most memory accesses will be to contiguous memory blocks (array-like in nature). Cool, this initially speeds up even average software. Except now the software designer is running profilers and measuring cache misses and starting to use more contiguous data structures and memory allocators in response. Compiler designers are still ineffective here to even an intermediate-level software developer who understands memory optimizations and knows how to profile things like page faults and cache misses.

Way back in history, compilers were bad at register allocation, so software designers writing in assembly code could easily write more efficient code that resulted in fewer stack spills. At this point the compiler was in a race against man, and eventually compilers started doing an unbelievably good job with register allocation and beating most humans. This was one of the times where the compiler designer actually started leading the race. Except human assembly code writers can still sometimes beat optimizing compilers at instruction selection (requires a tremendous amount of esoteric expertise, however).

Then hardware designers introduced these wide SIMD registers that could vectorize scalar operations and perform them in parallel. Now compilers are just starting to emit efficient SIMD instructions, but the software designers with a sufficient amount of expertise can still often easily beat the optimizer (take it from Intel: they release one of the most aggressive optimizing compilers, ICC, but still write most of their code using handwritten SIMD intrinsics and occasionally even assembly). So now the compiler designers are still racing against the human software designers again, with the humans who have sufficient expertise taking the lead.

It's always this kind of never-ending race. On top of this we have GPUs now which are capable of blazing-fast parallel, symmetrical computation over homogeneous data, and the compilers and tools involved to really take advantage of that are all over the place and about as remote from the idea of "high-level" as we can possibly get.

So there's this never-ending kind of game where software designer comes in the lead, then compiler designer, then hardware designer changes all the rules and kind of resets the game, and it stretches my imagination too much to see it ever coming to an end any time soon.

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"Game" is quite an encompassing term. If you had, say, an MMORPG, smaller optimisations would effect many players.

Gamers are, and have probably always been, used to a comparatively large amount of things happening at once, in realtime. Sure; at one time, having a responsive Pacman or Tetris was the goal. But they still had to be responsive. Nowaydays, 3DMMORPGs over packet-dropping network-connections.

I sure understand the want to optimise.

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Games constantly do massive amounts of background processing. Business apps don't.

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Don't do a lot of business apps, do you? – JUST MY correct OPINION May 12 '11 at 0:33
Enough to know that business apps don't need to update their status 60 times per second. Furthermore, I specifically said "constantly." – user16764 May 12 '11 at 5:17
Ever heard of real-time trading? – JUST MY correct OPINION May 12 '11 at 5:26

It has to do with why that tool was selected for a particular job.

Golfers will obsess over the direction and force they apply with a putter, not so much when they're using the driver.

Why? Because they're different kind of shots. For a drive, you want to get it in the fairway with maximum distance. For a putt, you want to get it exactly in the hole.

Same applies here. Game developers choose C++ because it gives them control over the performance of different operations. If you've chosen that, you're going to want to leverage it.

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Most business applications are written as in-house tools. Expectations about the usability of this tools are much lower than in the case of software sold to mass customers. It is quite common that an in-house business app has menus and dialogs which react slowly to mouse clicks, windows which redraw with delay, or even a GUI written in Swing (the horror!). This due to a number of reasons (it is more important that the software is customizable than that it is very "snappy", the users of the software have no choice whether to use or not use the software in question, the people who make the decision to install the software do not use it themselves...). The consequence of all this is that the developers of this tools do not spend much time optimizing the responsiveness of the application, but care a lot about the extensibility and number of features. Different client base => different design goals => different methodology.

Note that a business application targeting a mass audience, such as Excel, IS heavily optimized.

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